Late night Talk
while I still work on my report, I had this orkut scrappy conversation with a senior from H7, Aditya Bhakta (suppandi is my alias for the time-bieng :D ):
Aditya: Hey there... How are you? By the look of it, you are one person (I know) whoze globetrotting like anything! . Sahi hain. Howz it going waise?
And, Suppandi is great. Reminds me of childhood days, when he appeared in Tinkle
Suppandi: masti hai sir! having a ball of a time here in germany... with football world cup and all thodi lucky rahe hum.. ek saal ki chutti mili and luck ne favor kiya
suppandi is fun sab logon ko kuch na kuch yaad toh dilata hai
aap sunao.. kahan ho?
Aditya: Great, nice to hear tht you're having fun. And ya, I totally believe in LUCK re... It makes you or breaks you. Hain naa!
Philhaal to main Pune mein hoon. Just quit my job, may join a startup...
Suppandi: well luck could be seen in todays netherlands vs portugal game! holland was surely unlucky today
what's with startups? i see most of iitians going into joining startups. aisa kyon?
Aditya: Well my take on it is this... The nature of a job in a big name is well defined so to say. Now what this 'being well defined' does is that you need to work while remaining within those frameworks. There are set rules and way of conduct etc. which for a business is a normal routine. Most often these conditions are not what an IITian wants. Therez no creativity to explore oneself. Within a limit, for a business the individual benifits are OKAY; but not if those are to digress from its main goal - which undoubtedly is PROFIT.
In short, WE require a more challenging work.
Suppandi: hmm... always thought the same. never felt that the well-settled industry could ever cater to the needs of an iitian when it came to creativity. there are "procedures" for everythings, and sometime sooner or later i guess this gets to an iitian for being too much of paper work, and no real work. what say?
Aditya: Yeah, almost there... But those who do carry on, I believe, more often than not - suppress this creativity 'keeda' of theirs for whateva reason. Lets see how far this keeda takes me. Its more paying and comfy to do a managerial kinda job, which btw is more creative than most entry level positions that a undergrad frm IIT gets, and such positions are reached with a long work ex. MBA is a shorter route to it. Most of the IITians are therefore going for it, I think. Also a CSE or EE undergrad frm IIT has more job-satisfaction. Rest branches maaro haath, idhar udhar. I think MONEY rules the roost!
Suppandi: fuck! u seriously underlined the main thoughts that i was fighting for in a discussion with a punter here. I was trying to explain a german the main concept of iitians not necessarly working in core jobs, and why we would run away to do MBAs to get more money
and yeah, i agree, a CSE or an EE grad gets more satisfaction, coz their core jobs are well paid, and also creative at the same time. for us, as fresh grads, either its well paid, or creative. we somehow dont get the balance between the 2. and the only way we see is out is the managerial post, achievable easily thu the MBA thing.
Aditya: Yup. And the main thing is that, the attitude that we have out here in India. Therez more of peer and social pressure. Therez more of a comparison between ppl around you- subconsciously for most. IIT makes a huge effort to take us away frm this line of thinking (thats why IIT's are great according to me), but even then it does not change. Give a thought to this: If the same guy with whom you stayed for 4 yrs, earns more than you do (with the same effort as you did - comparing across depts. is difficult though) you are bound to run behing MONEY. The things are not as flexible as out there in Europe/US etc. They have a different mentality. More of risk taking and follow-the-dream kinda thing. I can realise tht the German u're trying to talk it out with, may not be able to understand this.
Suppandi: oh my god! sahi! i put the mentality of indians and the effect of peer and social groups around us as a major reason, and many indians too opposed this idea! cool man! i just got a supporter for my ideas
i guess its just that when in school we are told, "iit mein ho jaye, life peace ho jayegi" and then once out of iit, we don't really get that 'peace'. that's a major setback. and then when the 100 rank above u, EE punter lives a life full of money and satisfaction, one does wonder where has he gone wrong and the EE person right. And out here, there are people willing to have startups in chemical engg, and all, and back in india, one would not think of it. also, the core jobs here are a little more challenging, atleast as per what i am told by the experiences of MS students whom i work with.
Aditya: Yeah. Wavelengths matched --> Resonance observed.
Well, its better not to remain in that negative frame of mind. I believe there are no shortcuts to life. Luck no doubt is the major player in life (I think you too believe that - your 'about me:' says so... I truly loved that sentence!), but Fortune favours the brave. You need to work!
Suppandi: fortune sure does favor the brave! no shortcuts in life... tell me that. I have to submit my 1st draft of report tomorrow morning, and am still working on my lit survey i am surely working
Aditya: Hey there... How are you? By the look of it, you are one person (I know) whoze globetrotting like anything! . Sahi hain. Howz it going waise?
And, Suppandi is great. Reminds me of childhood days, when he appeared in Tinkle
Suppandi: masti hai sir! having a ball of a time here in germany... with football world cup and all thodi lucky rahe hum.. ek saal ki chutti mili and luck ne favor kiya
suppandi is fun sab logon ko kuch na kuch yaad toh dilata hai
aap sunao.. kahan ho?
Aditya: Great, nice to hear tht you're having fun. And ya, I totally believe in LUCK re... It makes you or breaks you. Hain naa!
Philhaal to main Pune mein hoon. Just quit my job, may join a startup...
Suppandi: well luck could be seen in todays netherlands vs portugal game! holland was surely unlucky today
what's with startups? i see most of iitians going into joining startups. aisa kyon?
Aditya: Well my take on it is this... The nature of a job in a big name is well defined so to say. Now what this 'being well defined' does is that you need to work while remaining within those frameworks. There are set rules and way of conduct etc. which for a business is a normal routine. Most often these conditions are not what an IITian wants. Therez no creativity to explore oneself. Within a limit, for a business the individual benifits are OKAY; but not if those are to digress from its main goal - which undoubtedly is PROFIT.
In short, WE require a more challenging work.
Suppandi: hmm... always thought the same. never felt that the well-settled industry could ever cater to the needs of an iitian when it came to creativity. there are "procedures" for everythings, and sometime sooner or later i guess this gets to an iitian for being too much of paper work, and no real work. what say?
Aditya: Yeah, almost there... But those who do carry on, I believe, more often than not - suppress this creativity 'keeda' of theirs for whateva reason. Lets see how far this keeda takes me. Its more paying and comfy to do a managerial kinda job, which btw is more creative than most entry level positions that a undergrad frm IIT gets, and such positions are reached with a long work ex. MBA is a shorter route to it. Most of the IITians are therefore going for it, I think. Also a CSE or EE undergrad frm IIT has more job-satisfaction. Rest branches maaro haath, idhar udhar. I think MONEY rules the roost!
Suppandi: fuck! u seriously underlined the main thoughts that i was fighting for in a discussion with a punter here. I was trying to explain a german the main concept of iitians not necessarly working in core jobs, and why we would run away to do MBAs to get more money
and yeah, i agree, a CSE or an EE grad gets more satisfaction, coz their core jobs are well paid, and also creative at the same time. for us, as fresh grads, either its well paid, or creative. we somehow dont get the balance between the 2. and the only way we see is out is the managerial post, achievable easily thu the MBA thing.
Aditya: Yup. And the main thing is that, the attitude that we have out here in India. Therez more of peer and social pressure. Therez more of a comparison between ppl around you- subconsciously for most. IIT makes a huge effort to take us away frm this line of thinking (thats why IIT's are great according to me), but even then it does not change. Give a thought to this: If the same guy with whom you stayed for 4 yrs, earns more than you do (with the same effort as you did - comparing across depts. is difficult though) you are bound to run behing MONEY. The things are not as flexible as out there in Europe/US etc. They have a different mentality. More of risk taking and follow-the-dream kinda thing. I can realise tht the German u're trying to talk it out with, may not be able to understand this.
Suppandi: oh my god! sahi! i put the mentality of indians and the effect of peer and social groups around us as a major reason, and many indians too opposed this idea! cool man! i just got a supporter for my ideas
i guess its just that when in school we are told, "iit mein ho jaye, life peace ho jayegi" and then once out of iit, we don't really get that 'peace'. that's a major setback. and then when the 100 rank above u, EE punter lives a life full of money and satisfaction, one does wonder where has he gone wrong and the EE person right. And out here, there are people willing to have startups in chemical engg, and all, and back in india, one would not think of it. also, the core jobs here are a little more challenging, atleast as per what i am told by the experiences of MS students whom i work with.
Aditya: Yeah. Wavelengths matched --> Resonance observed.
Well, its better not to remain in that negative frame of mind. I believe there are no shortcuts to life. Luck no doubt is the major player in life (I think you too believe that - your 'about me:' says so... I truly loved that sentence!), but Fortune favours the brave. You need to work!
Suppandi: fortune sure does favor the brave! no shortcuts in life... tell me that. I have to submit my 1st draft of report tomorrow morning, and am still working on my lit survey i am surely working
posted by vishnoi @ 5:28 am
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ur posts r always a must read....
thanx 4 droppin by...and yeah, i'm indeed going to lots of iitian blogs...gawd, i'm obsessed with them....no offense!!!
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